10-4-21 PZ Minutes
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MINUTES OF THE October 4, 2021- October Workshop and Public Hearing
PLANNING AND ZONING
The Planning and Zoning Public Workshop was called to order by Chairperson Al Stenerson at approximately 6:30 p.m..
Members present were Tracy Kollock, Jim Chitwood, Howard Schwartz, Eric Youngbauer via phone, and Sandra Golliher.
Also present Zoning Administrator Tom Verstegen, Town Chairperson Frank Frassetto, Town Supervisors Rob Keller and
Mike Pollack, Attorney Alex Ackerman, and Secretary Thomas Coppola. Public present resident Bryan Frank, Michael
Doran- Maguire Development representative for Harmoni Towers ATT, Andrew Flowers Senior Construction Manager
ATT, Jim Jermaine Affairs Representative ATT, Attorney Paul Jonas ATT, and Attorney Kevin Pollard SBA
Motion (Chitwood, Golliher) to approve August 30, 2021 (September) minutes. CARRIED
Discussion of CSM for Black Wolf Development opened with announcement by Chairperson Stenerson attorney
granted a 45 day extension of November 15, 2021 to provide a timely response from applicant. Zoning Administrator
Tom Verstegen advised of a telephone discussion with a potential buyer asking if the buyer can pay to bring the road
to Town Standards. Zoning Administ rator advised a discussion with engineering company will have to take place in
order to certify standards. Zoning Administrator noted CSM is unable to be approved without a variance. Chairperson
Stenerson asked Attorney Alex Ackerman if applicant submitted the questionnaire from residents, attorney advised a
submission has not been received. Attorney advised the main issue is that the CSM must conform to Land Division
Ordinance for newly created lots on public roads - approval will be difficult without varia nce- confirming no
submission from developer or applicant. A new date is set for November 15, 2021. Town Chairperson Frank Frassetto
advised of Highway State Statute which provides for towns to allow for smaller widths/dimensions based off need.
Attorney Ackerman suggested State Statute 82.50 which breaks down categories for Town Roads to increase of
average daily traffic and standards will identify the right of way and width of road . Chairperson Stenerson confirmed
approximately 8 total homes with 4 new l ots pending submission of questionnaire and the hear say of using the 1 st
developed to create road to Town Standards. Stenerson asked Town Supervisor Keller a cost to create road. Keller
advised could be estimated up to 500,000 due to construction and buil ding specification. Stenerson asked if any there
are any standards for the enhanced gravel. Keller advised the least permeable surface is hard surface or asphalt and to
refer to state specification for type of grade/asphalt. Keller advised must meet Town Standards will require an
engineer and engineer must review that is meets Town Standards requirements. Stenerson asked who is responsible
for paying. Keller advised it is not responsibility of Town due to burden of expressed finances and should not be
passed on to other tax payers. Attorney Ackerman confirmed once dedicated to town, the expense to maintain will be
incurred by Town, it is in the interest of Town to get the road to Town Standards before dedication to Town in order
to offset escalated cost for accepting a road below Town Standards . Howard Schwartz asked if they can use current
road with additional enhanced gravel. Keller advised does not meet requirements due to Town Standards of surface.
Jim Chitwood advised he spoke with land owner on Ses ame Street and owner does not want to incur additional cost
for new development. Chairperson Stenerson advised to wait for timely submission of questionnaire for review at next
workshop on November 1.
Announcement of Terry Sweeney appointed term ending on the Committee. A brief discussion took place on possible
appointment for pending vacancy on the Planning & Zoning Committee.
Motion (Golliher, Schwartz) to end Workshop at approximately 6:51 p.m. for recess until 7:00 p.m. for Public
Hearing.
Discussion of the application for Harmoni Towers representing private owner and interests of AT& T was
reviewed. Attorney Alex Ackerman opened the Public Hearing with noting the Harmoni application- will provide details of
application, questions will then be asked, public will be able to communicate with applicant, this will include Town Board
quorum, committee, and residents. Upon deliberation, a recommendation may be made to Town Board. Planning and
Zoning may recommend if the application may be approved, denied, or approved with conditions. Attorney noted
conditions may be added post recommendation to Town Board, so by the Town Board. Statute driven by 66.0404 for
process with limitations, as review, deemed application complete within the 90 day window beginning August 2, 2021.
Hearings are 1 meeting, but the deliberation can be over multiple meeting s. It is a lengthy process but must be understood
by both parties. Limitations at municipal level determined by 66.0404 subsections 4 the Town will have as review to
consider. Record is established. At this time, 5 exhibits entered as review: 1 ) Applicatio n 2) Zoning Narrative 3) State
Statute 66.0404 4) Conditional Use Town Zoning Ordinance 5) RSRP coverage Plot. Any decision Act 67 - must be based
off reviewing for substantial evidence and any condition imposed must be based off of substantial evidence or any relation
to conditional use will not be satisfied. Substantial evidence rule is a principle that a reviewing court should uphold an
administrative body's ruling if it is supported by evidence on which the administrative body could reasonably base its
decision other than merely perso nal preferences or speculation. Attorney Ackerman turned over to applicant
representatives. Michael Doran of Harmoni Towers announced the submissions to support application to include affidavits,
elevation records, zoning map s, colocation, economic burden, and zoning narrative. Doran advised the criteria is met for
local ordinance and state statute. Advised surrounding towers will not interrupt coverage. Attorney Ackerman asked for a
walk through of maps and if the approved co verage will meet existing or improve coverage in the area. Andrew Flowers,
Senior Construction Manager, advised leasing, zoning permitting, cell sites do not take lightly to build new facilities, so
what is the benefit- RF map identifies on page 2/3 that the tower will gain 70’ of elevation to cover more areas to benefit 1st
responders- tower will increase coverage up to 4 miles to North, West, South, and 4.5 miles on the lake. Object is to for
high speed to not interrupt at below ground levels, which is reduced by time, a more slower connection process. The
frequency will change based on level of service 700 megahertz for furthest, then 1900 —1850 curtailed by the amount of
traffic being used. Attorney Ackerman confirmed max height for approval is 262’. Flowers confirmed with lighting rod of
3’ above antennas. Attorney Ackerman asked for clarity on the blue spot on map at 180’- what is the difference in coverage
at the 180’ height. Flowers advised at this point it is difficult to determine, but the in building coverage, will increase
further you go. Stenerson said reviewing the RSRP 90, the best is 0’ to 100’. Flowers advised it is only a model until built.
Stenerson confirmed at this time we do not know performance. Flowers ad vised it all depends on how much service it will
be able to have ie 911 calls and 1 st responders for furthest distance – shows how ATT will spend the money on the
community. Stenerson recalled at one time the tower can extend up to 7 miles off lakeshore, i s this still accurate? Flowers
confirmed optimization is based off of signal by narrowing areas to bring together to fill space in between which in turn
could increase optimization or distance. Jim Jermaine of Govt affairs for ATT confirmed that every 9 mi les you need a
tower- to connect signal - by adding more does not always optimize, but fills space, so by adding other frequencies and
addressing height of towers limited to population density - confirmed by engineer of a provided range of 250’ to 300’ can
optimize frequency. Stenerson asked if the tower was less than 250’ will it not work for ATT. Flowers confirmed due to the
economic burden between ATT/SBA as they have not agreed to a master lease, with increased costs incurred, an additional
tower that is not 250’ collocated by SBA will not be able to handle the frequencies or multiple carriers - confirming
engineer standards have changed over the years so modifications must happen and will associate a cumulative cost to add
on the high rents and unreasonable terms, facility cost will half million dollars to increase service capabilities, so reduc ing
the height is not feasible. Jermaine announced ATT as a 180 billion dollar company so why the economic burden -
explained as due to increased costs, towers construction assumed the overall costs, but provides flexibility in enhancements
for changing equipment, leasing space by not impacting the structure, allows ATT to change rapidly - in part due to the
need for first responders network to make sure can provide t he emergency coverage to rural communities to a price
advantage to keep cost down for citizens. Attorney Ackerman asked if the proximity will affect current tower coverage at
all. Flowers confirmed no due to the tower being 70’ taller than other towers, with no bearing effect on existing due to FCC
regulations. Stenerson advised tower proximity is not common across state, so why is tower so close to existing. Flowers
confirmed due to no other options to improve service to community - new tower built at today standards will handle all
technology changes as old tower cannot. Larger cities have towers in closer proximity due to space. All balanced - height
supports stronger materials used in construction today vers us past. Attorney Paul Jonas of Harmoni and ATT - confirmed 2
towers next to each other will be removed due to ordinance – old towers are removed from sites - Act 67/ and state statute
64.0404- restrictions on municipalities and requirements on applications. Economic burden is a facet, flexibility is a
problem because due to change in technology to modify for future is challenged when not owned, SBA stands today to be
the monopoly. Attorney Ackerman noted subsection 7 identif ies the removal of abandoned antennas or a tower for 12
months is considered abandoned. Town Ordinance encourages number of towers to b e further apart or added ala cart to
existing towers. Tracy Kollack asked if there are any other co -locators who have app lied to be on the new tower? Flowers
advised not at this time, but co-locators will be able to be added to the new tower and are able to communicate directly with
ATT for availability. Stenerson asked if Harmoni traded private or publicly? Attorney Paul Jo nas advised it may be
publicly traded at higher level or if approved will run the rights obligation to bear ownership of new owner. Attorney Alex
Ackerman advised ordinance surrounding uses adjacent to proposed tower is covered in application. Stenerson ad vised of
the 3 news homes being built across the street from cell tower that Harmoni wants to build. Michael Doran advised that is
the basis of moving the tower back 500’ referencing fall distance and applicant owner being comfortable with location
decided. Tower is 150’ from right of way. Flowers acknowledged the engineering of tower can be in accordance to area fall
zone well constructed on 3 legs. Noted Setbacks in subsection 40 and section 2G - not touch right of way - will be working
the problem backward s should sucj arise. Attorney Kevin Pollard advised SBA objects to the tower due to the proposed
proximity, ATT has been a client of SBA since the year 2000, and lack of substantial evidence being submitted for economic
burden. Attorney Kevin Pollard advised application has issues in application from maps to 1st net being offered on existing
towers for 1 st responders emergency calls. Economic burden is the colocation concern – recently amended last year . Mr.
Meir has not been contacted to discuss the matters of rent, or coverage. Pollard advised Harmoni is not exempt in
evaluation based off of lease term so they haven’t evaluated colocation or provided substantial evidence. The affidavit filed
was speculative, since they have not contacted owner of existing tower whom is willing to work with ATT. Attorney Pollard
recited Wisconsin State Statute 3.27 - No agent or insurer shall recomme nd to a prospective buyer the purchase of any
individual policy without reasonable grounds to believe that the recommendation is not unsuitable to the applicant. The
agent or insurer shall make such inquiry as may be necessary under the circumstances to de termine that the purchase of
such insurance is not unsuitable for the prospective buyer. This requirement shall not apply to an individual policy issued
on a group basis. Assumed activity is to construct new tower, collocate or evaluate colocation to consider, and to have SBA
comply with tower rod to comply with ordinances so Harmoni should too, including the number of facets for posed denial.
Attorney Ackerman entered 2 documents as exhibits of review: 6) SBA coverage map 7) letter from Kent Meir owner.
Attorney Ackerman allows for Question and Answers from public. Stenerson asked about coverage. Pollard answered
lower megahertz better coverage, higher megahertz less penetration. Pollard advised SBA can accommodate what ATT is
trying to do with Harmoni. Attorney Paul Jonas clarified why ATT chose Harmoni- map submitted by SBA is not applicable
per municipality each tower lease with 80’ extension is not feasible solution amended on a short term basis for agreement
to accomplish same things SBA chooses to acco mplish- cannot have discussion to make posed map (submitted by SBA )
relevant. Flowers advised ATT is a telecommunications provider. SBA is a leasing company for other carriers. ATT map is
more visual with frequency change model used in actual frequency. Engineer study is provided by ATT, SBA did not submit
an engineer study. Attorney Pollard advised of 66.0404 - new tower process is to include affidavit of reason, technical,
coverage and/or economic burden. Economic burden was not demonstrated here by aligning speculative costs. Howard
Schwartz asked if Harmoni has reached out to SBA. Pollard advised they have not reached out to Mr. Meir, as he is willing
to discuss and work with ATT. Flowers advised Tim Brenner has discussed colocation since 2018 and Meir c annot discuss
leases due to national level . Attorney Jonas advised this is why a new negotiation has happened for a better deal for
Harmoni, colocation considered, seek external tower due to what has been described, flexibility, new technology.
Ackerman re minded all of Eco -Cite Case study, Jonas confirmed it was before Act 67. Ackerman reminded parties
substantial evidence must be determined and discussed in the case with a tiered approach. Ackerman advised given agenda
will applicant be willing to a 30 day extension noting August 2 as complete application, given a 30 day extension to
November to allow for a timely recommendation to Town Board - actionable on November 1st and forward to Town Board
for November 8th. Jonas confirmed the 30 day extension with actionable on November 1 st and forward to Town Board for
November 8th. Ackerman noted both parties agreed to extension pending evidence as review on the 1st.
Motion (Kollack, Chitwood) to approve extension to November 1, 2021 at 6:30 p.m.
Motion (Chitwood, Schwartz) to adjourn Public Hearing at 8: 39 p.m. CARRIED
Next Workshop – November 1, 2021 @ 6: 30 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
Thomas Coppola, P&Z Secretary
Office: 920.688.1404
www.townofblackwolf.com
email: info@townofblackwolf.com
Source: Town of Black Wolf website. First collected Oct 14, 2026.